Comments on: Scotch on the Rocks review http://www.peterelst.com/blog/2008/06/07/scotch-on-the-rocks-review/ Flash Platform Geek Wed, 04 Jan 2012 21:31:54 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Big Mad Kev http://www.peterelst.com/blog/2008/06/07/scotch-on-the-rocks-review/comment-page-1/#comment-18564 Big Mad Kev Sun, 08 Jun 2008 21:05:27 +0000 http://www.peterelst.com/blog/?p=588#comment-18564 Thanks for coming & speaking Peter; It's good to get someone on the outside of the CF Community looking to make comments that make sense. If more people stop thinking of CF as the old C engine and started to take a look at it again now as a fully grown up Java Applications the world would be a happier and easier life for everyone and now with Railo 3.1 going open source in October there really should be no stopping the momentum Thanks for coming & speaking Peter;

It’s good to get someone on the outside of the CF Community looking to make comments that make sense.

If more people stop thinking of CF as the old C engine and started to take a look at it again now as a fully grown up Java Applications the world would be a happier and easier life for everyone and now with Railo 3.1 going open source in October there really should be no stopping the momentum

]]> By: Scott Barnes http://www.peterelst.com/blog/2008/06/07/scotch-on-the-rocks-review/comment-page-1/#comment-18555 Scott Barnes Sun, 08 Jun 2008 05:04:22 +0000 http://www.peterelst.com/blog/?p=588#comment-18555 Interesting write-up there Pete. I've also floated / thought about ideas around "What if" regarding CF going open source. Let me take off my Microsoft badge for a second *unpins the badge, watches as the wires and blood begins to drip freely..* (OUCH! that hurts)... (hopefully I'm afforded the right to speak freely & of my own personal opinion that of not my employer, on this one?) <b>[obsecure, know it all analyst speaking voice begins here]</b> On the surface it makes sense? in fact I've often wondered why Macromedia/Adobe didn't run with the CFEclipse crowd the moment Zorn was given birth (Spike & Co could of done with the financial warchest). Yet that in turn would most likley impact the Dreamweaver Sales (If it aint broke, don't fix it applies here). Then there is the sales revenue from CF Server itself, and whilst the population isn't as big as it's competitors, i'd guestimate that it's still got a nice revenue model attached to it (enough to either self-fund itself or partially cover the costs whilst Creative tools fill the rest of the gaps in). Adobe's a $3bn company at the moment, if Live Cycle, Acrobat 9+ and Flex 3-4+ integrate well within Enterprise, *maybe* they can sacrafice the CF revenue stream, provided it can influence the previous top 3 in Enterprise & beyond. If that doesn't happen, it's unlikely that they'll give up the profits of CF on the hope/pray that it attracts new hearts & minds. Flex has been a big leap and i'm wagering that Adobe will spend a lot of money and time nailing down the Open Screen initiative vs being distracted by Opening up Coldfusion (could be wrong). Coldfusion would also probably hurt the LiveCycle initiatves as well, as in many respects its kind of a basic edition (ie you were right that the LCDS is free as in beer). Given most Flex solutions use basic AMF it's actually a fairly cheap alternative in the long run? <b>[obsecure, know it all analyst speaking voice ends here]</b> -Scott. Interesting write-up there Pete. I’ve also floated / thought about ideas around “What if” regarding CF going open source.

Let me take off my Microsoft badge for a second *unpins the badge, watches as the wires and blood begins to drip freely..* (OUCH! that hurts)…

(hopefully I’m afforded the right to speak freely & of my own personal opinion that of not my employer, on this one?)

[obsecure, know it all analyst speaking voice begins here]

On the surface it makes sense? in fact I’ve often wondered why Macromedia/Adobe didn’t run with the CFEclipse crowd the moment Zorn was given birth (Spike & Co could of done with the financial warchest).

Yet that in turn would most likley impact the Dreamweaver Sales (If it aint broke, don’t fix it applies here). Then there is the sales revenue from CF Server itself, and whilst the population isn’t as big as it’s competitors, i’d guestimate that it’s still got a nice revenue model attached to it (enough to either self-fund itself or partially cover the costs whilst Creative tools fill the rest of the gaps in).

Adobe’s a $3bn company at the moment, if Live Cycle, Acrobat 9+ and Flex 3-4+ integrate well within Enterprise, *maybe* they can sacrafice the CF revenue stream, provided it can influence the previous top 3 in Enterprise & beyond. If that doesn’t happen, it’s unlikely that they’ll give up the profits of CF on the hope/pray that it attracts new hearts & minds. Flex has been a big leap and i’m wagering that Adobe will spend a lot of money and time nailing down the Open Screen initiative vs being distracted by Opening up Coldfusion (could be wrong).

Coldfusion would also probably hurt the LiveCycle initiatves as well, as in many respects its kind of a basic edition (ie you were right that the LCDS is free as in beer). Given most Flex solutions use basic AMF it’s actually a fairly cheap alternative in the long run?

[obsecure, know it all analyst speaking voice ends here]

-Scott.

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