Comments on: Silverlight and the Adobe Creative Suite http://www.peterelst.com/blog/2009/03/22/silverlight-and-the-creative-suite/ Flash Platform Geek Wed, 04 Jan 2012 21:31:54 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: localToGlobal » Blog Archive » news review -> 13th week of 2009 http://www.peterelst.com/blog/2009/03/22/silverlight-and-the-creative-suite/comment-page-1/#comment-20902 localToGlobal » Blog Archive » news review -> 13th week of 2009 Sun, 29 Mar 2009 19:32:11 +0000 http://www.peterelst.com/blog/?p=1602#comment-20902 [...] > Silverlight and the Adobe Creative Suite | Peter Elst [...] [...] > Silverlight and the Adobe Creative Suite | Peter Elst [...]

]]> By: Scott Barnes http://www.peterelst.com/blog/2009/03/22/silverlight-and-the-creative-suite/comment-page-1/#comment-20900 Scott Barnes Tue, 24 Mar 2009 07:40:51 +0000 http://www.peterelst.com/blog/?p=1602#comment-20900 Stop it mom, you're drunk again... So not getting a mothers day card this mothers day..i hoped i was adopted ;). - Scott. Stop it mom, you’re drunk again…

So not getting a mothers day card this mothers day..i hoped i was adopted ;).

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Scott.

]]> By: Scott's Mom http://www.peterelst.com/blog/2009/03/22/silverlight-and-the-creative-suite/comment-page-1/#comment-20899 Scott's Mom Tue, 24 Mar 2009 03:21:24 +0000 http://www.peterelst.com/blog/?p=1602#comment-20899 Rest assured, Scott's Mom is *NOT* an Adobe employee. Just someone Scott picked a fight with in the shadows. He drew first blood, second, and again with his repeated FUD. His reality distortion field is weaker than his thinks and he shouldn't be pissed if someone calls him on it whether it is anonymous or not. His behavior is rewarded at Microsoft. Maybe someday it won't. Love, Mom Rest assured, Scott’s Mom is *NOT* an Adobe employee. Just someone Scott picked a fight with in the shadows. He drew first blood, second, and again with his repeated FUD. His reality distortion field is weaker than his thinks and he shouldn’t be pissed if someone calls him on it whether it is anonymous or not. His behavior is rewarded at Microsoft. Maybe someday it won’t.

Love,

Mom

]]> By: Thomas Garrod http://www.peterelst.com/blog/2009/03/22/silverlight-and-the-creative-suite/comment-page-1/#comment-20898 Thomas Garrod Tue, 24 Mar 2009 00:21:00 +0000 http://www.peterelst.com/blog/?p=1602#comment-20898 Excuse me, but posting without full disclosure is an American tradition. Ben Franklin did it regularly in his newspaper. We might not even be a nation without it. Some will argue that it is our patriotic duty to post without full disclosure. Just call me Ted (Bundy) Excuse me, but posting without full disclosure is an American tradition. Ben Franklin did it regularly in his newspaper. We might not even be a nation without it. Some will argue that it is our patriotic duty to post without full disclosure.

Just call me Ted (Bundy)

]]> By: John Dowdell http://www.peterelst.com/blog/2009/03/22/silverlight-and-the-creative-suite/comment-page-1/#comment-20897 John Dowdell Mon, 23 Mar 2009 22:44:40 +0000 http://www.peterelst.com/blog/?p=1602#comment-20897 I hope it's not an Adobe staffer... Ned Hayes proved the folly of posting without full disclosure, and that lesson should not be wasted: ht tp:/ /groups.google.c om/group/macromedia.dreamweaver/browse_thread/thread/5ab3d7bf47fe8da9/7faa830d52d448bd [URL has extra spaces to get past spam-detection.] But most actual Adobe staffers I've spoken with appreciate Scott's conversation. It's like how Opera and Safari folk are probably glad for Asa Dotzler. The "start your copiers" tack here was incidental in the original post, but was quickly elevated in comments as the main theme. Telling. (As an aside to Adobe-friendly bloggers, it's really helpful if you identify yourself in any criticism of Microsoft, to help prevent such charges as Scott's above. Thanks!) jd/adobe I hope it’s not an Adobe staffer… Ned Hayes proved the folly of posting without full disclosure, and that lesson should not be wasted:
ht tp:/ /groups.google.c om/group/macromedia.dreamweaver/browse_thread/thread/5ab3d7bf47fe8da9/7faa830d52d448bd

[URL has extra spaces to get past spam-detection.]

But most actual Adobe staffers I’ve spoken with appreciate Scott’s conversation. It’s like how Opera and Safari folk are probably glad for Asa Dotzler. The “start your copiers” tack here was incidental in the original post, but was quickly elevated in comments as the main theme. Telling.

(As an aside to Adobe-friendly bloggers, it’s really helpful if you identify yourself in any criticism of Microsoft, to help prevent such charges as Scott’s above. Thanks!)

jd/adobe

]]> By: Scott Barnes http://www.peterelst.com/blog/2009/03/22/silverlight-and-the-creative-suite/comment-page-1/#comment-20896 Scott Barnes Mon, 23 Mar 2009 21:51:45 +0000 http://www.peterelst.com/blog/?p=1602#comment-20896 It's weak because an Adobe staffer posting as an anonymous person on another persons blog whilst trying to convey FUD against my persona is somewhat weak. I also have a fairly good bet on which staffer this is, given their aggressive posture and tone in wording. Anywho, damn it mom, you've got me.. I've seen the light, i repent my evil ways..darn gone it..i had a good ride while it lasted :) Your move champ. Scott. It’s weak because an Adobe staffer posting as an anonymous person on another persons blog whilst trying to convey FUD against my persona is somewhat weak. I also have a fairly good bet on which staffer this is, given their aggressive posture and tone in wording.

Anywho, damn it mom, you’ve got me.. I’ve seen the light, i repent my evil ways..darn gone it..i had a good ride while it lasted :)

Your move champ.

Scott.

]]> By: Scott Barnes' Mom http://www.peterelst.com/blog/2009/03/22/silverlight-and-the-creative-suite/comment-page-1/#comment-20895 Scott Barnes' Mom Mon, 23 Mar 2009 21:26:19 +0000 http://www.peterelst.com/blog/?p=1602#comment-20895 Is it weak? You said your blog post with your interview at Microsoft that one of your goals was to pick a fight with the Adobe crowd. You have a pattern of being dishonest in your blog posts, ready to declare victory in the RIA space for Microsoft, and then have the huevos rancheros to say that Adobe is copying your strategy. You are loose cannon who uses his Microsoft sig all too often. Eventually that is going to work against you. Just remember that you reinforce the negative Microsoft stereotypes that breeds enemies. Your goal was to polarize, so don't be suprised if you generate negative charges in deep and dark places. Love, Mom Is it weak? You said your blog post with your interview at Microsoft that one of your goals was to pick a fight with the Adobe crowd. You have a pattern of being dishonest in your blog posts, ready to declare victory in the RIA space for Microsoft, and then have the huevos rancheros to say that Adobe is copying your strategy. You are loose cannon who uses his Microsoft sig all too often. Eventually that is going to work against you. Just remember that you reinforce the negative Microsoft stereotypes that breeds enemies. Your goal was to polarize, so don’t be suprised if you generate negative charges in deep and dark places.

Love,

Mom

]]> By: Scott Barnes http://www.peterelst.com/blog/2009/03/22/silverlight-and-the-creative-suite/comment-page-1/#comment-20894 Scott Barnes Mon, 23 Mar 2009 19:05:27 +0000 http://www.peterelst.com/blog/?p=1602#comment-20894 Ok that's just damn scary..obsessed with me much? How weak :) - Scott/Microsoft. Ok that’s just damn scary..obsessed with me much?

How weak :)

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Scott/Microsoft.

]]> By: Scott Barnes' Mom http://www.peterelst.com/blog/2009/03/22/silverlight-and-the-creative-suite/comment-page-1/#comment-20893 Scott Barnes' Mom Mon, 23 Mar 2009 11:38:19 +0000 http://www.peterelst.com/blog/?p=1602#comment-20893 Barnes, You are a mess. Your morals are suspect, especially for someone who used to build sites for adult entertainment. I find it hilarous at the same time frightening with your revisionist RIA history with your claims that Adobe is copying Microsoft. That is your MO at Microsoft. May 1,000 funnel web spiders visit your laptop bag. Mom Barnes,

You are a mess. Your morals are suspect, especially for someone who used to build sites for adult entertainment. I find it hilarous at the same time frightening with your revisionist RIA history with your claims that Adobe is copying Microsoft. That is your MO at Microsoft. May 1,000 funnel web spiders visit your laptop bag.

Mom

]]> By: Scott Barnes http://www.peterelst.com/blog/2009/03/22/silverlight-and-the-creative-suite/comment-page-1/#comment-20892 Scott Barnes Sun, 22 Mar 2009 20:47:31 +0000 http://www.peterelst.com/blog/?p=1602#comment-20892 I wasn't privy to the scripted approach that was taken, but in the end it's also not really about who copies whom but more of a contrast between both. It's somewhat important to note that at some point for whatever reasons they decide, folks will use both? (fair call no?) in which case having a viewpoint on how both approach the same problem can be somewhat of a boon for folks on-ramping. Do you remember when Macromedia came out with the Pet Market application to show Java folks on how they can go from an existing pattern to Flash? I liked that as it gave contrast and allowed a more easily digestible approach to the problem that both were trying to solve. In the end, this will definately not be a zero sum game, if you move to our stack doesn't necessarily mean you'll abandon Adobe's. Just now you have the ability to interrupt millions of .NET developers lives with your creative talents. Peter, watch a movie called "MacHeads" it provides a really good insight into how technology, community and corporations collide. - Scott Barnes Rich Platforms Product Manager Microsoft. I wasn’t privy to the scripted approach that was taken, but in the end it’s also not really about who copies whom but more of a contrast between both. It’s somewhat important to note that at some point for whatever reasons they decide, folks will use both? (fair call no?) in which case having a viewpoint on how both approach the same problem can be somewhat of a boon for folks on-ramping.

Do you remember when Macromedia came out with the Pet Market application to show Java folks on how they can go from an existing pattern to Flash? I liked that as it gave contrast and allowed a more easily digestible approach to the problem that both were trying to solve.

In the end, this will definately not be a zero sum game, if you move to our stack doesn’t necessarily mean you’ll abandon Adobe’s. Just now you have the ability to interrupt millions of .NET developers lives with your creative talents.

Peter, watch a movie called “MacHeads” it provides a really good insight into how technology, community and corporations collide.

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Scott Barnes
Rich Platforms Product Manager
Microsoft.

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