Comments on: Interview with Scott Barnes about Silverlight 3 http://www.peterelst.com/blog/2009/04/08/interview-with-scott-barnes-about-silverlight-3/ Founding Partner - Project Cocoon Tue, 16 Mar 2010 15:57:15 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Eric Fickes http://www.peterelst.com/blog/2009/04/08/interview-with-scott-barnes-about-silverlight-3/comment-page-1/#comment-21109 Eric Fickes Fri, 29 May 2009 06:32:19 +0000 http://www.peterelst.com/blog/?p=1696#comment-21109 I'm late to the party and don't like to join religious battles. It's ridiculous both sides can't just get along. On the internet, users don't give a french toast whether it's flash, SL, or chocolate pudding, as long as it works. And by users, I mean OUR end customers, not our tech peers, tech rags, etc. Personally, I freaking love programming both, and I would go crazy if I had to commit to all MS or all Adobe. In fact, I currently do mostly Adobe client side, and MS back end and they work out great. The only reason I haven't gotten dirty with SL is we haven't been asked yet. I'm still excited about SL though, Flash has had zero competition IMO since roughly forever. Lastly, thanks for the interview Scott and Peter. It's great having leaders from both camps coming together. I’m late to the party and don’t like to join religious battles. It’s ridiculous both sides can’t just get along. On the internet, users don’t give a french toast whether it’s flash, SL, or chocolate pudding, as long as it works. And by users, I mean OUR end customers, not our tech peers, tech rags, etc.

Personally, I freaking love programming both, and I would go crazy if I had to commit to all MS or all Adobe. In fact, I currently do mostly Adobe client side, and MS back end and they work out great. The only reason I haven’t gotten dirty with SL is we haven’t been asked yet. I’m still excited about SL though, Flash has had zero competition IMO since roughly forever.

Lastly, thanks for the interview Scott and Peter. It’s great having leaders from both camps coming together.

]]> By: People Over Process » Links for April 22nd through April 23rd http://www.peterelst.com/blog/2009/04/08/interview-with-scott-barnes-about-silverlight-3/comment-page-1/#comment-21039 People Over Process » Links for April 22nd through April 23rd Thu, 23 Apr 2009 20:59:46 +0000 http://www.peterelst.com/blog/?p=1696#comment-21039 [...] Interview with Scott Barnes about Silverlight 3 | Peter Elst"In closing Pete, I honestly think both Microsoft and Adobe are solving similar problems but with a different set of tools, and so we are both just going to co-exist." [...] [...] Interview with Scott Barnes about Silverlight 3 | Peter Elst"In closing Pete, I honestly think both Microsoft and Adobe are solving similar problems but with a different set of tools, and so we are both just going to co-exist." [...]

]]> By: Rounding Up Last Week of Peter Elst’s Interview With Scott Barnes http://www.peterelst.com/blog/2009/04/08/interview-with-scott-barnes-about-silverlight-3/comment-page-1/#comment-20997 Rounding Up Last Week of Peter Elst’s Interview With Scott Barnes Mon, 13 Apr 2009 16:01:40 +0000 http://www.peterelst.com/blog/?p=1696#comment-20997 [...] Scott Barnes’ interview by Peter Elst is a must-read. Who knew that the current Microsoft Rich Platforms Product Manager was once an [...] [...] Scott Barnes’ interview by Peter Elst is a must-read. Who knew that the current Microsoft Rich Platforms Product Manager was once an [...]

]]> By: John C. Bland II http://www.peterelst.com/blog/2009/04/08/interview-with-scott-barnes-about-silverlight-3/comment-page-1/#comment-20993 John C. Bland II Sat, 11 Apr 2009 14:43:17 +0000 http://www.peterelst.com/blog/?p=1696#comment-20993 Scott Wow...that's big of you and I appreciate it. I don't agitate too often. ;-) LOL. Yes, we're not connecting at all. :-) All good though. Scott
Wow…that’s big of you and I appreciate it. I don’t agitate too often. ;-) LOL.

Yes, we’re not connecting at all. :-) All good though.

]]> By: Scott Barnes http://www.peterelst.com/blog/2009/04/08/interview-with-scott-barnes-about-silverlight-3/comment-page-1/#comment-20992 Scott Barnes Fri, 10 Apr 2009 20:42:12 +0000 http://www.peterelst.com/blog/?p=1696#comment-20992 <a href="#comment-20989" rel="nofollow">@John C. Bland II</a> Apologies if I was short with you yesterday John, I was tired and in a bad mood and at the time felt you were just agitating rather than communicating - suffice to say, I think we are talking past each other on this one. <a href="#comment-20990" rel="nofollow">@Bart Czernicki</a> Jobs are a good indicator for growth, but be careful, as high demand can mean bad as well. I remember Coldfusion had huge demand in Australia at one point, but couldn't backfill in supply (warm bodies). This resulted in companies abandoning Coldfusion and going for PHP/RoR/.NET/JSP etc instead. What you want to see is high demand and closure of advertisements, then this indicates developer uptake whilst at the same time negates the previously mentioned. HTH. - Scott Barnes Rich Platforms Product Manager Microsoft. @John C. Bland II
Apologies if I was short with you yesterday John, I was tired and in a bad mood and at the time felt you were just agitating rather than communicating – suffice to say, I think we are talking past each other on this one.

@Bart Czernicki
Jobs are a good indicator for growth, but be careful, as high demand can mean bad as well. I remember Coldfusion had huge demand in Australia at one point, but couldn’t backfill in supply (warm bodies). This resulted in companies abandoning Coldfusion and going for PHP/RoR/.NET/JSP etc instead.

What you want to see is high demand and closure of advertisements, then this indicates developer uptake whilst at the same time negates the previously mentioned.

HTH.

-
Scott Barnes
Rich Platforms Product Manager
Microsoft.

]]> By: John C. Bland II http://www.peterelst.com/blog/2009/04/08/interview-with-scott-barnes-about-silverlight-3/comment-page-1/#comment-20991 John C. Bland II Fri, 10 Apr 2009 20:38:15 +0000 http://www.peterelst.com/blog/?p=1696#comment-20991 I saw that and love it! :-) the more SL jobs = more contract work. ;-) I saw that and love it! :-) the more SL jobs = more contract work. ;-)

]]> By: Bart Czernicki http://www.peterelst.com/blog/2009/04/08/interview-with-scott-barnes-about-silverlight-3/comment-page-1/#comment-20990 Bart Czernicki Fri, 10 Apr 2009 20:08:21 +0000 http://www.peterelst.com/blog/?p=1696#comment-20990 Look at the growth of Silverlight on Indeed's job boards: http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=silverlight&l=&relative=1 Flex and Flash: http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=Flex&l=&relative=1 http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=Flash&l=&relative=1 In absolute terms there are currently about 10x more Flash/Flex jobs out there than for Silverlight developers. But Silverlight is growing in the thousands of percent. Look at the growth of Silverlight on Indeed’s job boards:
http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=silverlight&l=&relative=1

Flex and Flash:
http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=Flex&l=&relative=1
http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=Flash&l=&relative=1

In absolute terms there are currently about 10x more Flash/Flex jobs out there than for Silverlight developers. But Silverlight is growing in the thousands of percent.

]]> By: John C. Bland II http://www.peterelst.com/blog/2009/04/08/interview-with-scott-barnes-about-silverlight-3/comment-page-1/#comment-20989 John C. Bland II Fri, 10 Apr 2009 19:42:23 +0000 http://www.peterelst.com/blog/?p=1696#comment-20989 @Brad Did I say something to the contrary? Scott and I were talking about his 4:1 ratio. I agree about hiring. I merely said the background stuff (java, wpf, etc) to clarify a point about 4:1 not how "hireable" they are. @Brad
Did I say something to the contrary? Scott and I were talking about his 4:1 ratio.

I agree about hiring. I merely said the background stuff (java, wpf, etc) to clarify a point about 4:1 not how “hireable” they are.

]]> By: Brad Becker http://www.peterelst.com/blog/2009/04/08/interview-with-scott-barnes-about-silverlight-3/comment-page-1/#comment-20988 Brad Becker Fri, 10 Apr 2009 16:17:26 +0000 http://www.peterelst.com/blog/?p=1696#comment-20988 @John - In my experience, companies just want to know they'll be able to hire qualified experts for their project. They don't care whether they used to be WPF or Java or Flash developers (unless they also require those skill sets) as long as they can do a good job on the Silverlight or Flex project. Right? Brad Microsoft @John – In my experience, companies just want to know they’ll be able to hire qualified experts for their project. They don’t care whether they used to be WPF or Java or Flash developers (unless they also require those skill sets) as long as they can do a good job on the Silverlight or Flex project. Right?

Brad
Microsoft

]]> By: John C. Bland II http://www.peterelst.com/blog/2009/04/08/interview-with-scott-barnes-about-silverlight-3/comment-page-1/#comment-20963 John C. Bland II Thu, 09 Apr 2009 19:45:28 +0000 http://www.peterelst.com/blog/?p=1696#comment-20963 Haha...I don't know why but you and I never communicate well. "It's not fair" is not what I'm saying. Just saying I wouldn't boast 4:1. "special decoder ring" is funny. Just saying you're not dealing with clients, working with or hiring Flex developers, etc. Aren't we all just stating opinions? Yours is no more on point than mine but we're still entitled. ;-) Yep...move on. No need to be offended or get cheap man. Just a healthy dialogue, I assumed, but maybe not. Typically sbarnes "wit". hehe. I'm out. No more responding from me here. Again, thanks Peter! Haha…I don’t know why but you and I never communicate well.

“It’s not fair” is not what I’m saying. Just saying I wouldn’t boast 4:1.

“special decoder ring” is funny. Just saying you’re not dealing with clients, working with or hiring Flex developers, etc.

Aren’t we all just stating opinions? Yours is no more on point than mine but we’re still entitled. ;-) Yep…move on.

No need to be offended or get cheap man. Just a healthy dialogue, I assumed, but maybe not. Typically sbarnes “wit”. hehe.

I’m out. No more responding from me here.

Again, thanks Peter!

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